they are saying is detroit really bankrupt? >> there are a lot of people who will take issue with what detroit is trying to do. it is important to remember before they got here. they are responsible for their own on doing. until a couple years ago, if you are a public safety official in detroit, you could retire at 55 with 80% of your salary and health care. this is the day of reckoning. it is important that this be done right. this is the first city that is trying. dagen: that raises the issue. so many others have been thrown up their. those cities would not act, with day, jason, until it is clear that detroit can do this. >> that is why it is so important here. they are saying that this violates the constitution. you cannot reduce benefits for retirees. that violates the state constitution. what some of us are hoping is these contracts can be renegotiated. if they get away with protecting retiree benefits through this chapter nine filing, what you will see is other cities using chapter nine. we do not want it to happen. that